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		<description><![CDATA[With the recession ending (@MSNBC):

WASHINGTON - More than 90 percent of economists predict the recession will end this year, although the recovery is likely to be bumpy....

Or maybe a double-dip (@Politico.com):

...All that’s enough to convince some observers that the economic recovery is faltering and could be heading for a “double dip” recession. And that would mean the recent green shoots of recovery turn out to be just a pause in a much longer economic slide....

&#038; a stimulus which has saved jobs (@USA Today):

WASHINGTON — States have reported using stimulus money to create or save more than 388,000 jobs so far this year, buttressing the Obama administration's claim that the $787 billion plan has had a significant impact on the economy....

Or maybe not (@WashingtonExaminer):]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the recession ending (<a title="Most economists see recession ending this year" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30950441/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/" target="_blank">@MSNBC</a>):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">WASHINGTON &#8211; More than 90 percent of economists predict the recession will end this year, although the recovery is likely to be bumpy&#8230;.</p>
<p>Or maybe a double-dip (<a title="Could double-dip recession be near?" href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28001.html" target="_blank">@Politico.com</a>):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8230;All that’s enough to convince some observers that the economic recovery is faltering and could be heading for a “double dip” recession. And that would mean the recent green shoots of recovery turn out to be just a pause in a much longer economic slide&#8230;.</p>
<p>&amp; a stimulus which has saved jobs (<a title="Early reports: Job gains signal stimulus impact" href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-10-27-jobs_N.htm" target="_blank">@USA Today</a>):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">WASHINGTON — States have reported using stimulus money to create or save more than 388,000 jobs so far this year, buttressing the Obama administration&#8217;s claim that the $787 billion plan has had a significant impact on the economy&#8230;.</p>
<p>Or maybe not (<a title="Featherbedding stimulus job numbers" href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Featherbedding-stimulus-job-numbers-68389392.html" target="_blank">@WashingtonExaminer</a>):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8230;Even if we take at face value the White House claim that it created or saved all these jobs with approximately $150 billion of the economic stimulus money, a little simple math shows the taxpayers aren’t getting any bargains here: $150 billion divided by 650,000 jobs equals $230,000 per job saved or created. Instead of taking all that time required to write the 1,588-page stimulus bill, Congress could have passed a one-pager saying the first 650,000 jobless persons to report for work at the White House will receive a voucher worth $230,000 redeemable at the university, community college or trade school of their choice. That would have been enough for a degree plus a hefty down payment on a mortgage&#8230;.</p>
<p>Maybe some perspective is needed.  To truly put it in context, let&#8217;s look at the Great Depression (<a title="Hu versus Sarkozy" href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10695" target="_blank">@Cato</a>):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8230;According to most accounts, the stock market crash of October 1929 was the spark that sent the economy spiraling downward.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">How could this be? After all, by November 1929, the stock market had started to recover, and by mid-April 1930, it had reached its pre-crash level. Contrary to the received wisdom, massive government failure — not the stock market crash — pushed the United States into the Great Depression&#8230;.</p>
<p>As written here before (<a title="The Fear Based Stimulus That Wasn't" href="http://detailedabstractions.com/2009/08/23/the-fear-based…lus-that-wasnt/" target="_blank">here</a>, <a title="Political Accounting" href="http://detailedabstractions.com/2009/08/03/political-accounting/" target="_blank">here </a>&amp; <a title="Surely Ye Jest  Mr. President" href="http://detailedabstractions.com/2009/07/22/surely-ye-jest-mr-president/" target="_blank">here</a>), economic predictions are inherently tricky and the government does a very poor job because politics always gets in the way of objective truths.  NBER who is usually the group society follows for when a recession starts and ends told us in December of 2008 that December 2007 was the beginning of the dive demonstrating that most &#8220;objective&#8221; economic truths are only found in hindsight.</p>
<p>In fact, some brilliant legal minds have made just this point to contemplate delaying financial regulations intended to mitigate similar future scenarios in which we might find ourselves (<a title="Government Logic: If at first you don’t succeed, keep doing the same thing…" href="http://detailedabstractions.com/2009/09/29/government-logic-if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-keep-doing-the-same-thing/" target="_blank">here</a>).  Richard Posner&#8217;s analysis:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The Report is premature in two respects. The first is that it advocates a specific course of treatment for a disease the cause or causes of which have not been determined. Now it is not always necessary to understand the cause of something you don’t like in order to be able to eliminate the effect. If you have typical allergy symptoms you may get complete relief by taking an antihistamine; it is not necessary to find out what you’re allergic to. But generally, and in the case of the current economic crisis, unless the causes of a problem are understood, it will be impossible to come up with a good solution. The causes of the crisis have not been studied systematically, and are not obvious though they are treated as such in the Report. (Remember, the Great Depression of the 1930s ended 68 years ago and economists are still debating its causes.)&#8230;</p>
<p>Note &#8211; this doesn&#8217;t mean that we don&#8217;t understand basic incentives and most likely results.  Like chaotic systems in which minor changes in the beginning state of a system can show drastic changes in the end results, our economic system is so complex as to defy attempts to model very specific changes.  Though with hindsight and true analysis, we can get to a point where we know with probabilities what has happened and what will likely happen given specific policies.</p>
<p>For instance, if we make houses cost less by giving tax breaks or whatever, sales will increase for the time that incentive exists.  If the incentive is timed, then some sales will just be premature sales and show corresponding decreases in future quarters.</p>
<p>Meaning, we can use a basic understanding of incentives in order to gauge most likely results, but today only with hindsight can we show real numbers on very specific things such as the stimulus bill&#8217;s impact on house sales or jobs.</p>
<p>&amp; even then, given the inherent difficulty in defining a &#8220;saved&#8221; job and politicians willingness to ignore any data contrary to any rosy picture they wish to present, any economic predictions or numbers coming from politicians should be suspect by default.</p>
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